Who Took the “Gua” out of “Bao”?


49 responses to “Who Took the “Gua” out of “Bao”?”

  1. Wow! Pretty! And looks fairly scrumptious if I may say so myself! I have to get a steamer now. It’s not a staple in the norwegian kitchen!

    • Tora, you don’t need a bamboo steamer. You could use a large pot with water and a small bowl on the bottom. Place the gua-bao on a plate that would fit into the pot and put the plate on top of the bowl. And steam it that way :)

  2. I’m in love with your blog, you are my food superhero! I just tried a Boa for the first time a few months ago at BaoHaus and was instantly smitten. Can’t wait to give these a try.

  3. Awesome post and awesome photos! I made gua bao last night for the first time. My bao was NOT perfect but luckily was edible. Any chance you could share your recipe and measurements? Any help would be AWESOME!

    • Joshua, hahaaaa yeah I was like ?? reading the first comment. Glad you found the recipe! Yeah I took all the photos here. Really happy you like them!

  4. I made the bao according to the instructions but I used all purpose flour instead of bread flour. They turned really hard and not edible….

    What is the secret to the soft fluffiness?

    My pork was also too salty as I used Japanese soy sauce

    • Frankie, without further information it sounds like your yeast didn’t do what they’re supposed to do, which is to produce air in the dough and make it fluffy. There is a few things you can pay attention to:

      1. Please check the expiration date on the yeast (I used active dry yeast) and make sure they are still potent.

      2. Make sure the dough DOUBLES under room temperature for the first proof (this may take anywhere from 1 to 4 hours if the room is cold). When in doubt, you can always warm the water to 110 F and dissolve the yeast in the warm water for 10 min (it should foam up if the yeast is alive), THEN add it to the flour for kneading.

      3. THEN for the second proofing, the dough should grow 50% again in size before steaming.

      Don’t give up! Let me know if you run into any other questions. :)

  5. Hi Mandu,

    I was just reading through your instructions and I’m confused as to which step requires a second proofing? Hope to hear from you soon.

    • Jenny, once the dough is mixed, you let it proof the first time until doubled (first proofing). Then you shape them into the “bao-shape” and let them proof again for another hour (second proofing). Let me know if there’s any other confusions. sorry about that.

  6. Hi! These look amazing and I have had them before from a cart in NYC. I really want to make them (or something similar) for my wedding reception. I’m doing all the appetizers for my own wedding with a lot of help. Do you know if these can be made ahead and either frozen or refrigerated and still be good? Especially interested if the buns themselves can be made ahead.

    Thanks!

    • Paul, of course. Lots of Asian buns are sold frozen. The only thing I would pay attention to is not to keep them in the freezer for too long (up to 1 week), and to reheat, DO NOT use the microwave. Instead, steam them again back to life (straight from the freezer is fine). To serve them, I would keep them warm and moist in the steamer otherwise they would dry out. Good luck!

  7. This was dinner last night. And a hugeeeeeeee hit.

    Superb – the chicken is so flavourful and so easy to make – I doubled it! And used some to craft nikuman :-). We all – children included, enjoyed it.

    • Did you have success with the bun? Somebody tried it before (earlier comment) and didn’t work so I’m curious.

  8. I made this tonight for dinner and it was a huge hit. The buns came out fluffy and delicious. The only change I made was after shredding the chicken, I added a little brown sugar and a splash more rice wine vinegar. Not only was it fun to make, but it was also such a delicious dish! I cant wait to make it again! Thanks for the recipe!

  9. Thanks for the recipe and detailed instructions! Very rarely does a online recipe works on the first try for me. The bao came out perfectly. The chicken was delicious; I garnished with pickled cucumbers and carrots. This recipe is definitely a keeper.

  10. hi mandy,

    tried the recipe yesterday… mine turned out… edible, it wasnt as fluffy as i wouldve imagined and another thing is that the colour of my buns its not as white as yours, was it because of the flour or maybe the cream (i used water) I tried looking up and some people use vinegar to whitened up. do u know if this might work?

    cheers

    • Pat, I find a lot of the times when yeast doughs turn up to be “not fluffy”, is because it didn’t proof enough. The yeast didn’t have enough time, especially in cold weather, to generate enough air bubbles inside the dough. The amount of yeast in this recipe is relatively low and therefore you really need to give it enough time and make sure the dough has doubled fully the first time, and then proof again for the second time (to expand at least another 50 %).

      The color of the dough probably has to do with the type of flours used. If using unbleached bread flour, the bun could be slightly yellow or cream-colored. I think it’s fine. I have never used vinegar to whiten the dough up before.

      let me know if it works!

  11. I’m making these right now, and am on the first proof — it’s not rising well despite fresh yeast and a 75 degree room. I think perhaps I should have added the yeast and some of the sugar to the liquid before adding the flour? I’m seeing tiny granules swelling in the dough now, after about an hour.

    • Also, I didn’t have bread flour so I just used all purpose (Gold Medal organic). I followed the recipe other than that, though I rushed the rest (only 5 min) and the second proof/rise ( maybe 30 min in a warm kitchen) as I had hungry toddlers on a schedule.
      They were still nicely fluffy with a nicely chewy bite.

        • Ah, thanks! I didn’t mean truly fresh yeast — sorry for misspeaking. I just meant my dried yeast wasn’t expired or anything. I used a teaspoon from a packet of regular ol’ Fleischman’s (sp?) from the grocery store.

  12. I stumbled upon your blog from a link by David Lebovitz! Beautiful work and I love the bite in your writing. You write really well in both languages!

    I think a lot of people had problems with the dough because they didn’t let it rise/proof long enough. But also a lot of the recipes for this type of bun would add less gluten to cut the chewiness (like rice flour or 澄粉) and also adding lard to the dough can tenderize it. Some even add a touch of baking powder. The recipe you used is basically like a sweet 饅頭 recipe, which has more chew.

    • ALBERT: Actually Taiwanese-style gua-bao is supposed to have a chew to it, but softer and more pliable than man-tou. I think perhaps you’re coming from a more Cantonese perspective, as deng-fen isn’t used at all in Taiwanese cooking?

      • You might be right – I am not sure what is the true authentic bun! I just remembered the gua bao I had from this famous cart in Taipei called 藍家, and it was very tender and fluffy. But who’s to say that is the most authentic. I actually grew up in Taiwan but have been in the US for the last 2 decades. I saw the recipe using 澄粉 from a book I bought from Taiwan. But the book featured many traditional rice cakes (like daikon cake, taro cake, Taiwanese bowl cake 碗粿, etc.) that mixed in a little other starch like sweet potato flour, corn flour, etc. to modify the texture, as the modern palate is so accustomed to commercialized products. These days the commercial products have so much additives like the various diglycerides as dough enhancers, and I don’t care as much now if I can’t create the same kind of texture at home.

  13. Hi going to try making this tonight, just a bit confused about the instructions.. could you please explain what repeat refers to in this line ” Punch the air out of the dough and roll it out into a rectangular shape. Roll it into a log and turn it 90 degrees, then repeat again”!

    • Shireen: It means that after the first proofing, you should punch out the air out of the dough, then roll it out into a sheet that’s relatively “rectangular” (doesn’t have to be exact), then roll it up like a cake-roll. Turn it, then repeat again. This is to create a more intricate structure within the dough. If you want to do it just once, instead of twice. It’s fine, too.

  14. First, let me say I absolutely love your blog! Gua Bao is something I saw a lot on Tv and Instagram and I wanted to try it so much! I mean how delicious does that little cushion-looking thing seems! But it also looks complicated, the kind of exotic mystery that only people from Taiwan and around can make work. I finally decided to try it and thanks to you, it was absolutely amazing!! Everything just worked so perfect, texture was awesome and delicious is the best word to describe the taste! Everybody loved it and I will make it again for sure! Thanks

  15. I had bao buns for the first time this weekend at a little Vietnamese place called hallelujah and it is safe to declare that I.AM.IN.LOVE!! – sooo inlove! they are the softest chewiest buns ever!!

  16. Mandy, have you ever tried David Chang’s Steamed buns recipe in Momofuku? I’ve made his and many steamed buns recipes and it proofs beautifully, rises the 2nd time and even third. But my trouble is with the steamed part. I set the water to just simmering boil and bamboo steamer 1″ above the water. I steam for 10 mins and check at 5 mins. At 5 mins its perfect on the outside, rising and fluffy. It appears ready to be taken out and we made the mistake of doing so. When it sat in a 68F room, it deflated and got wrinkled. Separating at the seams revealed it was still doughy so definitely not ready at 5 mins. =\

    Next batch we steamed fully for 10mins even though it looked ready at 5 mins again. They started wrinkling and dimpling in the steamer at 8 mins. Removed at 10mins and cooled on a wired rack at 68F temp room. and again they all got wrinkly and slightly deflated! What gives?

    When split open, they were fully cooked but I just don’t understand why the outside wrinkles. Its definitely not steam bubbles falling on to the buns, I even added a towel to catch. I read in some recipes to not boil so hard as it will rise fast, become tough and chewy. But I also read low & slow would result in a shrink and shrivel. Please help! I just don’t know!

    • Mythy, I’m sorry, are you talking about my recipe or David Chang’s? I’ve never made his recipe so I wouldn’t know. But high heat steaming will puff up the buns too much, and they will deflate. I don’t know if too low of a heating would do that, too. What I do is I steam them over medium heat, then I go back to open the steamer in 3 to 4 min, partly to check but partly to let any excess heat escape. Then I steam them for another 5 to 6 min to finish.

  17. Hi Mandy,
    Do you think the dough can be made the night before? Like a cold rise in the fridge then taken out to warm to room temperature and continue as the recipe?

    What would you suggest?

  18. Hi Mandy,

    Those buns look amazing *drools* i would love to make these buns this weekend..I’ve several recipes and am a lil confused now. Can you help me out?
    1. should i use bread flour, all purpose or cake flour?
    2. what difference does it do to the bao with the addition of baking powder and baking soda?

    how you can help me out :)

    love,
    juliana

    • Juliana, use bead flour for a chewier dough, and all-purpose for softer dough. I’ve never added baking soda or powder to this dough before so I don’t know… I don’t think it needs it though :)

  19. Hi mandy!

    Is there a specific “moment” during the bun making process,
    where I would be able to freeze the buns (already steamed or unsteamed)
    and do you have any advice on how to prepare them after freezing?
    Looks amazing, and after trying almost every single recipe on your website,
    there is absolutely no doubt for me that this one also wilbe spectacular (:

    • Eva, you can either freeze it right before the second proofing (after shaping and all), but you’ll have to let them thaw/and proof again before cooking which can take hours. Or you can freeze them right after the second proofing, then I would steam them directly right out of the freezer, but for a longer cooking time (maybe double, guessing).

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