Golden Foundation


46 responses to “Golden Foundation”

  1. I am a beginner at all of this cooking stuff. I really want to make the Beef Noodle Soup so badly.

    There is that saying that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Maybe your opinion will change after my questions.

    1.) When you say 1 free range chicken, does that mean you tell the butcher to cut all the meat out but keep the bones (for the broth). Or do you tell them to cut a chicken up and put the whole thing into the pot? Like meat and everything.

    2.)In the Beef Noodle Soup stock list, you have 2 large beef shank bones. So I’m guessing the butcher will have shank bones laying around for me to use? ha ha. Or do I buy meat with shank bones and cut out he meat and put the bones in?

    What I’m saying here is that I rather make a fool of myself in the safety of the internet than in front of a butcher thinking I should just eat some vegetables.

    -T

    • Tony, haha no problem! So use 1 whole chicken, meat and all. Or, 2 chicken scaffolds which is chicken with all the meats removed with just bones left. Then about beef shank bones, it depends on if your butcher has them laying around. If not, then yes you can remove the meat from the shank and use the bone.

      I hope this clarify things :)

      • Hi mandy, if removing the meat from the beef shanks, can we use the meat when making the beef noodle (mix with boneless beef ribs)? Or will the shank meat be too tou gh?

        • Samantha, it depends on the part of the shank you’re using. There’s a part of the beef shank in Taiwan called “金錢腱” that is used for beef noodles, but not the entire shank because I supposed it can be tough :)

  2. Hey there, thanks for this post, it looks delicious! I was wondering though, under the 3:50pm-5:50pm part of the directions, what do you mean by “partially cover the pot by half?” Do you mean just put a different lid (not the pressure cooker sealed lid) on top halfway and continue at a normal boil instead of pressure cooking the stock any further?

    Thanks,
    Kat

  3. Hi there Mandy, excellent recipe – I’m definitely going to give this a try. Quick question: how long does the broth keep? I assume you refrigerate or freeze it?
    Thanks :)

  4. If I’m not using a pressure cooker and just using a stock pot, for steps in 2:30-3:40pm, can you specify whether the water should be boiling for 2 hours or not? or on a simmer? Because you said to bring to a ‘hiss’ on high heat for the pressure cooker. so i was just wondering if that was an equivalent to a boil for a stock pot? would i need to reduce heat afterward? thank you.

    • KEONI: I would keep it at a medium-boil (not simmer, but not violently boiling either) throughout the whole cooking process. Add more water to the pot to completely cover the ingredients as the water evaporates, until the chicken bones can be completely dismantled, and the broth is milky and opaque, about 3 hours.

  5. Hi Mandy! I’ve tried a lot of your recipes with great results, and I’ve always wanted to make some proper chicken stock. I got my hands on a pressure cooker, pigs feet etc, and made a batch yesterday.

    Some questions though:

    1. How much do your approximate the chicken parts should weigh? The “whole chickens” I can find in Sweden has quite a range of weights.

    2. My stock turned into nice jelly in the fridge as it should, but with all the yellow goodies stuck on top. Is this normal? I guess it wont matter when you liquify it, just wondering if it supposed to be like that. Picture for reference: (http://imgur.com/TYOjFWX)

    3. Could the jellified stock be used to make xiao long bao, or does it need more aromatics and/or gelatin?

    Thanks for all the recipes, looking forward to try some dan dan mian and mapo tofu with my newly made stock!

    • Thomas, I would say a “whole chicken” is about 1200~1500 grams. The yellow stuff on top of your jello is chicken fat :) Which you definitely want to keep. I usually just divide the stock when it was hot, and equally distribute the fat in each container. But since yours has solidified, might as well just cut it up to divide it. If your recipe doesn’t call for such rich/fatty stock, then remove the fat when it’s cold and solid like that, and store it in an air-tight container. It’s good for sauteeing greens, frying shallots and all sorts of other goodies. As for soup dumplings, the stock will need more gelatin. You can try reducing it by 1/2, which I think should be condensed enough.

  6. Hey Mandy!

    I am not sure about the amount of Jinhua ham i need, it’s missing the third dimension. Do you mean a piece of 10x10x10cm? Here in Germany the easiest is to buy thin slices, do you know how many grams i need?

    HL

    • Hl, sorry for the confusion. It should be around 10x10x2cm. So basically a really thick slice. I don’t have the weight at this moment, but precision isn’t crutial in this recipe :). Hope it helps!

  7. I’m trying to make this broth without a pressure cooker. The bones have been boiling for three hours now and they’re nowhere near soft enough to break apart with tongs. Am I missing something? Every other bone broth recipe I’ve read gives at least 24 hours of simmering before the bones soften. Should I just continue boiling?

  8. Just wanted to say THANK YOU, for this recipe and the blog in total. I’ve made a few recipes and those that I’ve shared (which means I don’t finish them before I leave the house) are always very well received (and I’m always sure to let folks know where the inspiration comes from. Just spent a blizzard day making this foundation- the prefect pick-me-up for the post shoveling defrost. Cheers!

  9. Hello Mandy, I am new to your blog and want to try so many of your recipes. I thought I would start by making this broth. I got most of the ingredients on your list. I bought 3.25 pounds of chicken bones that included (5)chicken feet, (3)neck bones. I was wondering if that will work or should I just get a whole chicken? Many thanks!

    • Hasti, that sounds ok to me, but when in doubt, you can always throw in extra pig bones or any other bone-scraps you have on hand. If you find your broth to be less dense than your liking, you can always reduce it down further :)

  10. Hi Mandy,

    I was wondering if you could make this in the slow cooker. I made my own homemade chicken soup in the slow cooker overnight and it turned out wonderfully.

    Thanks and good luck!

  11. Hello, first, love the blog and thank you for sharing your recipes… also the writing is quite funny!

    Second, I’m trying to learn the reasoning/technique behind the pressure cooker and then half covered (why not pressure cook whole time?)

    Thank you

    • Neil, pressure cooker doesn’t allow you to cook the bones to a mush. You’ll have to do that manually. Secondly, it also doesn’t create the rapid boil that results in the milky color (at least that was my experience).

  12. Great recipe and technique. After skimming and preserving fat(for other uses) refrigerated stock which separated into four distinct layers. The bottom layer very thin, gritty and probably bone meal, the larger second layer gelatinous broth, the third layer composed of the milky yellow layer you describe, and finally the last layer also very thin, fat not captured. I assume after removing layer one and four I should attempt to blend the two remaining layers back together. Should I expect that they will again separate?
    The ginger, shallots and tumeric add an incredible flavor profile, Thanks again hope to make a few more of your recipes.

  13. If I only have high setting on an electric pressure cooker, should I leave it on high the entire time for the hour in the 2:30-3:40 step? And then since it’s electric not stovetop would you recommend I then pour it into a stock pot and continue boiling in the next step? What is the difference in that next step (starting at 3:50) between doing that in a half-covered pressure cooker vs a stock pot?

  14. Iv just been out to the butchers but I can’t find a pigs trotter. There bones have already been collected. Is there anything I could substitute for this?

  15. Hi Mandy,
    I want to try to make this broth, however I don’t eat pork, only chicken… Can this be made using only the chicken? Should I use more amount of chicken then?
    Thank you! :)

  16. Hello,

    I made this recipe but found that I did not get the beautiful golden colour that is in the picture. Mine is more milky looking. I don’t have a pressure cooker and I substituted some pork ribs for the trotter. Is not having the trotter the problem?

    • Keali, if that’s the case you can add more turmeric to intensify the color. The yellowness partly comes from turmeric, and partly comes from chicken fat. So if you’re using a very pale chicken, that will affect the color as well.

  17. Hi I have made your golden foundation and your taiwan noodle soup. I think I invite you to heaven. The soup is divine and I love the saltiness. But no way my bones did disintegrate. And I really tried. I asked my butcher and he agrees … impossible.
    How do you get pig’s trotters and cow bones to disintegrate and cook them to mush ? I used a hammer and everything but no way .

    I have a few other questions. When you make the broth, it is quite fat. Is it ok to cool the broth and skim the fat ? Or will that ruin the taste ?

    Is it also ok to add some greens – bok Choy – to the soup or is this against Taiwan soup concept ?

    • Jan, lol no the bones will not disintegrate as in melt, but all the meat and fat and joints should completely fall apart. And yes there will be a good amount of fat in the broth. The milkiness is partially a result of the emulsification between fat and protein. You can skim off some fat but try not to overdo it. When u chill and reheat the broth, it would seem “broken”. Simple use an immersion blender to emulsify it again.

  18. Hi Mandy, I am loving every aspect of this recipe and will be attempting it this weekend, along with your niu rou mien! I just need some clarification with the pressure cooking part (still a newbie at it). I have the IP and not sure what bringing to a “hiss” on high heat entails. If I set to “saute” mode, it would be hazardous to put a lid on since we’re not pressure cooking at this point until after this step. What should I be doing to bring it to a “hiss”?

      • Thanks for replying so quickly! Would bringing it to a “hiss” with lid on mean bringing it to a boil? Think my pressure cooker is limited so I will have to do it stovetop then transfer to my cooker.

  19. Hi Mandy,

    About how much in weight of each item should I be using? If I’m using thinly sliced proscuitto, how much should I use?

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